I understand what you mean by your portrayal of "whiteness" as a concept indicating the privilege to oppress, but it is a rather bizarre term for the non-American ear to hear. Israel is less modelled on American conceptions of whiteness and more on the German dichotomy of the Übermensch — everything that happens in the West Bank is a clear reflection that the Israelis believe Palestinians are üntermensch who need to be cleared off the rightful Lebensraum of the Israeli people. Drawing a comparison between Israel and the regime that persecuted the Jewish peoples of Europe is far more rhetorically effective, in my opinion.
Thanks for pointing that out, Abdal. I'm sure you're right that Israel's founders were following Nazi culture, not American whiteness, but I guess this piece is written for an American audience. For us, 'whiteness' resonates much more than "Ubermensch' would. Most of my readers wouldn't know what I was talking about.
That is true — Americans are seldom familiar with Nazi propaganda tactics, which is why so many buy into the American right's repetition of them. The danger, I think, in focusing on whiteness, is that white Americans will ignore what you have to say by misreading your points as a critique of them as a group.
I tend to focus on the Nazi parallel because A) it undermines Israeli claims of moral legitimacy that the Halacoust ostensibly bestowed, and B), because Ibelieve the great tragedy that is happening in Palestine is the result of people taking the form of their oppressors: first the Zionists adopted the mentality of their Nazi persecutors, then the Palestinians themselves came to believe the tactics of the Irgun and Lehi were worthy of emulation
I had the same thoughts. If it’s not about skin color, (or, more accurately, shade), then the term “white” is far too burdened to be useful. It’s never really about color at all. Think of the disdain Southern snobs had for “White trash”.
There are many alternatives which don’t risk provocation or misunderstanding. When “not white” Netanyahu’s family left Poland for Palestine they immediately made all indigenous people their inferiors. In Israel today “Arab Jews” are discriminated against as more “not white” than European Jews, who aren’t Semites at all. But before we get lost down that rabbit hole, maybe we can agree that that only ones who are really “white”…are rabbits.
Good post, but you are missing a lot here. Among many things, you are missing the fact that the Ashkenazi were considered terrorists as recently as 1950. You are also overlooking the fact that nearly all, probably all, of these organizations now attacking Israel for committing an undeniable genocide were for the last 4 decades attacking "whites" for being white. "White males" the most hated of all. Now that "Jews" have become the target, oh my, it's become wrong. Funny how that works.
I told them this would happen. I told them that it would inherently generalize on the basis of the most basic physical characteristics. Did they listen? Nooooooooo. They said I had "white privilege" and told me to go fuck myself.
That was when they were riding the back of this Frankenstein they themselves created. Now it's seen Israel, and they are all a fuss. So incredibly smart, yet so fucking short sighted and utterly retarded. That's the fucking Ashkenazi for you.
The freaking Ashkenazi never "became white," you twit. They have worked for the utter destruction of anything that can be conceived of as "white" for the last 4 decades. They have openly and consistently advocated for the genocide of "whites," that is, non-"Jews." And what was a huge part of this? Mounting the backs of minorities and whipping them into line as a frontal attack upon "whites," you idiot.
Golly gee wiz, what was the role of "Jews" in the slave trade and ownership? Do tell. What was the percentage of "whites" at that horrible time that owned slaves? Look it up, warmonger.
Strings strings strings; they pulled strings then, they pull strings now. And when they aren't pulling strings, they are changing both their names and the definitions of key words. Wake up, fool.
This is the Ashkenazi way of war. "Jew" is not an appropriate term--stats got them down as well over 80 percent hard core atheists. These were the Bolsheviks, these were the original Zionists. Look it up, "race man." My words are true.
And there you are, a so-called "educator," sticking to the line. It's "white people." Never mind that the krauts are different from the frogs who are different from the Brits who are different from the Irish. Na, never mind anything that gets in the way of your racial vision.
Make it all simple, so you can hold your job, while you continue to incite violence and war and disdain the very culture that created the institution in which you now work.
No wonder Islam is progressing. You stink, you are empty, and you are a warmongering pig.
Spot on… this is why when Israelis who are against Netanyahu… as soon as an interviewer moves the conversation slightly close to the Bolshevik theme… you can quickly see the unease … but interviewers don’t catch that… they get stuck on the words being spoken … but the body language of Israelis is clear … they don’t want to go there and immediately Blame the British for knowing the brutal tactics. Israelis atrocities are rooted from their Bolshevik history.
So, I have often been accused of living in the 19th if not the 18th century - try it some time, it’s very restful. Very soothing - but I have never thought of jews as “white”. I don’t care how many pink skinned, redheads with blue eyes they produce, I’ve never considered them white. They don’t think like white people, act like white people or look like white people. They don’t eat the same food white people eat, worship the same God white people worship, worship their god like a white person, or have anything in common with us. If the United States of America is the arbiter of who’s white in this world, we’re all in a lot of trouble. I reject the whole unnatural and unnecessary grafting of Judaism onto Christianity. “Judeo-Christian” is an oxymoron and a big win for them, that was completely unnecessary to concede. The plain fact is, they have lived alongside white people in our societies and they have sneered at us a despised us for centuries. And just like rats, cockroaches and scorpions can survive a nuclear blast, when they activate the Samson Option, they will be what scuttles out of their bomb shelters
Americans don’t want to hear about “whiteness” because they want to keep white supremacy their “dirty little secret.” Progressives and liberals are the worst perpetrators.
I understand what you mean by your portrayal of "whiteness" as a concept indicating the privilege to oppress, but it is a rather bizarre term for the non-American ear to hear. Israel is less modelled on American conceptions of whiteness and more on the German dichotomy of the Übermensch — everything that happens in the West Bank is a clear reflection that the Israelis believe Palestinians are üntermensch who need to be cleared off the rightful Lebensraum of the Israeli people. Drawing a comparison between Israel and the regime that persecuted the Jewish peoples of Europe is far more rhetorically effective, in my opinion.
Thanks for pointing that out, Abdal. I'm sure you're right that Israel's founders were following Nazi culture, not American whiteness, but I guess this piece is written for an American audience. For us, 'whiteness' resonates much more than "Ubermensch' would. Most of my readers wouldn't know what I was talking about.
That is true — Americans are seldom familiar with Nazi propaganda tactics, which is why so many buy into the American right's repetition of them. The danger, I think, in focusing on whiteness, is that white Americans will ignore what you have to say by misreading your points as a critique of them as a group.
I tend to focus on the Nazi parallel because A) it undermines Israeli claims of moral legitimacy that the Halacoust ostensibly bestowed, and B), because Ibelieve the great tragedy that is happening in Palestine is the result of people taking the form of their oppressors: first the Zionists adopted the mentality of their Nazi persecutors, then the Palestinians themselves came to believe the tactics of the Irgun and Lehi were worthy of emulation
I had the same thoughts. If it’s not about skin color, (or, more accurately, shade), then the term “white” is far too burdened to be useful. It’s never really about color at all. Think of the disdain Southern snobs had for “White trash”.
There are many alternatives which don’t risk provocation or misunderstanding. When “not white” Netanyahu’s family left Poland for Palestine they immediately made all indigenous people their inferiors. In Israel today “Arab Jews” are discriminated against as more “not white” than European Jews, who aren’t Semites at all. But before we get lost down that rabbit hole, maybe we can agree that that only ones who are really “white”…are rabbits.
Good post, but you are missing a lot here. Among many things, you are missing the fact that the Ashkenazi were considered terrorists as recently as 1950. You are also overlooking the fact that nearly all, probably all, of these organizations now attacking Israel for committing an undeniable genocide were for the last 4 decades attacking "whites" for being white. "White males" the most hated of all. Now that "Jews" have become the target, oh my, it's become wrong. Funny how that works.
I told them this would happen. I told them that it would inherently generalize on the basis of the most basic physical characteristics. Did they listen? Nooooooooo. They said I had "white privilege" and told me to go fuck myself.
That was when they were riding the back of this Frankenstein they themselves created. Now it's seen Israel, and they are all a fuss. So incredibly smart, yet so fucking short sighted and utterly retarded. That's the fucking Ashkenazi for you.
The freaking Ashkenazi never "became white," you twit. They have worked for the utter destruction of anything that can be conceived of as "white" for the last 4 decades. They have openly and consistently advocated for the genocide of "whites," that is, non-"Jews." And what was a huge part of this? Mounting the backs of minorities and whipping them into line as a frontal attack upon "whites," you idiot.
Golly gee wiz, what was the role of "Jews" in the slave trade and ownership? Do tell. What was the percentage of "whites" at that horrible time that owned slaves? Look it up, warmonger.
Strings strings strings; they pulled strings then, they pull strings now. And when they aren't pulling strings, they are changing both their names and the definitions of key words. Wake up, fool.
This is the Ashkenazi way of war. "Jew" is not an appropriate term--stats got them down as well over 80 percent hard core atheists. These were the Bolsheviks, these were the original Zionists. Look it up, "race man." My words are true.
And there you are, a so-called "educator," sticking to the line. It's "white people." Never mind that the krauts are different from the frogs who are different from the Brits who are different from the Irish. Na, never mind anything that gets in the way of your racial vision.
Make it all simple, so you can hold your job, while you continue to incite violence and war and disdain the very culture that created the institution in which you now work.
No wonder Islam is progressing. You stink, you are empty, and you are a warmongering pig.
Screw you, pall.
Spot on… this is why when Israelis who are against Netanyahu… as soon as an interviewer moves the conversation slightly close to the Bolshevik theme… you can quickly see the unease … but interviewers don’t catch that… they get stuck on the words being spoken … but the body language of Israelis is clear … they don’t want to go there and immediately Blame the British for knowing the brutal tactics. Israelis atrocities are rooted from their Bolshevik history.
Read the Torah and Talmud and let us know how Zionism is at fault.
I agree that Zionism can be justified as a continuation of the stories in the Torah. That doesn't make it right.
Zionists the ultimate self hating Jew
So, I have often been accused of living in the 19th if not the 18th century - try it some time, it’s very restful. Very soothing - but I have never thought of jews as “white”. I don’t care how many pink skinned, redheads with blue eyes they produce, I’ve never considered them white. They don’t think like white people, act like white people or look like white people. They don’t eat the same food white people eat, worship the same God white people worship, worship their god like a white person, or have anything in common with us. If the United States of America is the arbiter of who’s white in this world, we’re all in a lot of trouble. I reject the whole unnatural and unnecessary grafting of Judaism onto Christianity. “Judeo-Christian” is an oxymoron and a big win for them, that was completely unnecessary to concede. The plain fact is, they have lived alongside white people in our societies and they have sneered at us a despised us for centuries. And just like rats, cockroaches and scorpions can survive a nuclear blast, when they activate the Samson Option, they will be what scuttles out of their bomb shelters
Americans don’t want to hear about “whiteness” because they want to keep white supremacy their “dirty little secret.” Progressives and liberals are the worst perpetrators.
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